Hi all,

I have tried for a couple of weeks now to get my TwinhanDTV Cab-CI DVB-C card to work with BDA-drivers with different frontends.

No luck so far so i thought maybe the card doesnt support BDA-drivers?
Renura, do you know anything about this card or can ask Twinhan about it?

Have tested BDA drivers 1.2.1.2, 1.2.1.9 and 1.2.2.0 toegether with Mediaportal and Mytheathre but it doesnt work. I leave the details but for example MP developer Frodo has helped me a couple of times via VCN but even he cannot get it to work either and he thinks its a driver problem.

If i use WDM drivers the card functions OK.

Hoping for some input.

Best regards,

trannel

Not really surprised. AFAIK Microsoft had not finished writing DBA DVB-C support in Dx9. Although I've seen references to 'cable' in the MCE2005 'Emerald' update ~ http://www.xp-sp3.com/mce-em/

Not sure that it's TwinHan's fault.

If MP is going directly to the device interfaces and also calling the TwinHan BDA IOCTL extensions to initialise the CAM / Card then, maybe it can be made to work ~~~

What OS and SP ?

What Provider, Encryption system, CAM ?

I guess another option is to wait for TwinHan to layer VisionDTV over BDA and see if they can get BDA DVB-C working

I know from a User of the KNC1 DVB-C Device that BDA DVB-C does work. Don't remember what OS and SP he used. Although, i wasn't able to Tune to any Frequency using the IBDA_XXX Interfaces. Only using Tuningspaces on the Network Provider worked. Then he mentioned that all BDA Apps he tried has a stuttering Playback. Propably a Driver issue.

I think the Twinhan Drivers suffers when setting up Modulation, FEC and such Values. I have currently a few Users that are able to Scan Channels using my Channelscanner but can't tune to any Channel after rendering the Graph and the only difference between the Tuning is that i am not setting these Values in the Scanner, while i am setting it in the "Player" (from Values i have parsed from the NIT). However, this is only a guess.

The sources in MP also uses FEC/Modulation. I would try to comment out these Sources and use only Freq and Symbolrate.

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/medi....39&view=markup

Wow, thanks for fast feedback!

Some information:

OS: Windows XP SP2 + Microsoft BDA fix.
Provider: Comhem (Swedish)
Encryption: Conax
CAM: SCM Microsystems

JoeyBloggs, do you know when Twinhan plan for Vision DTV to utilize BDA instead of WDM?

DCoder, do you think i can try your Channelscanner software and see if i have the same problems as you've seen before?

Interesting indeed, thanks so far.

/trannel

Well they have already started with some of the USB devices apparently. I believe that they are planning to add support for the DVB-T PCI cards soon, not so sure about DVB-S and DVB-C. Renura might be able to give you something more definitive ~

I was told that TwinHanDTV 2.61 will support the PCI DVB-t cards using BDA drivers, I am not sure if that also means support for the DVB-s/c PCI cards.

Expected release of 2.61 is early September

I am trying to install the latest BDA drivers as posted (1.2.2.0) on an XP SP2 box.

SPECS:
XP Pro SP2
P4 - 2.2
i845-PE
Geforce3 ti500
2 x Twinhan PCI DVB-T

I originally installed the supplied twinhan drivers for the DVB-T PCI. Device Manager sees each card as two discreet drivers - DTV Audio & DTV Video.
Using the supplied drivers has only successfully installed 1 card, where the other card shows (!) warnings on DTV Video & DTV Audio in Device Manager.

When i attempt to update the uninitialised DTV Video hardware with the BDA driver [Video Capture] all goes well... However when i attempt to update DTV Audio, with BDA Tuner, the driver install hangs at the end when it copies THBDA.sys [ i assume because the Capture and Tuner use the same THBDA.sys] ... the system becomes non-responsive and it all goes pear shaped...

I understand that the Twinhan WDM drivers are probably the culprit, along with some confusion with the BDA capture/tuner components. Furthermore, it seems that most of the discussion is focused on MCE 2005, but isnt it just XP after all?

Some general advice how to get the two working would be appreciated.

Question: What BDA driver (ie. Video Capture [or] Tuner) translates to the appropriate components (ie DTV Video / DTV Audio)?

Question: Does anyone have two TH/VP cards running successfully on XP?

Thanks in advance.

Steve.

Hi Steve.

To answer your second question, take a peek here: Multiple VP cards

I currently have three VP cards all working with Spectrum's BDA drivers under XPSP2.

This thread might be useful too: confused

I've never used the WDM drivers so sorry, can't help with the other Q.

HTH.

Adrian.

If you are still running the TwinHan WDM drivers then an easy way to change over

is to select the drivers right click on them, Properties=>Driver=>Update Driver=>Select From List=>Have Disk and point to the directory where the BDA drivers are.

Update the DTV Audio Driver with the TwinHan PCI BDA Capture Driver and
Update the DTV Video Driver with the TwinHan PCI BDA Tuner Driver

Reboot

NOTE that you are apparently updating the drivers incorrectly Video => Capture

Joey / a_a,

Thanks for the info. I Appreciate the pointers!
I have sucessfully removed the hardware profiles and installed the correct driver to hardware component. However, when i have both PCI cards 'enabled' in the hardware profile, the cards refuse to tune the channels. however when i disable (one) either card in DM, it tunes and decodes the streams fine. which brings me to two more questions;

1. How can i get both tuners to work ie. record and view within mediaportal? do i need to run another program to do the recording?
EDIT: BTW, i am trying to use MediaPortal 0.1.3.0.

2. HD streams ie. SBS HD and Seven HD i cant get audio. Do i need a special codec to decode the audio? If so, why does Nine work?

Cheers,
Steve.

I'm confused about the Twinhan drivers.

The IA64 and AMD64 directories contain 878BDA and THBDA files.

The files in the INF directory refer to the THBDA files.

The Win2k and WinXP directory only contain 878BDA files.

Which one do I have to use for the Twinhan PCI card, Windows MCE, Europe?

Hi,

Do any DVB-S drivers exist that work with MCE 2005 and the Twinhan SAT CI card?

Many thanks,

David

There are TwinHan DVB-S BDA drivers. MCE2005 does NOT support DVB-S

Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply, is there any plan for MCE2005 to support DVB-S?

David

No idea. Not that I am aware of

MCE already supports DVB-S in the USA, if and when (or to what extent) they will support it in Australia is something that you should go and ask Microsoft

Guys what am I doing wrong here, I have a full height twinhan DVBT card, a fresh install of MCE 2005, and i just cant get the TwinHanBDA1224 drivers to install properly.
I point it at the THBDA_MCE_AU.inf file, it almost fully loads, then says it requires THBDA.sys.

My next guess is to find this file in the AMD64 folder (I have an athlon64 cpu), however it doesnt like it, saying something about it not being suitable for my pc.

Thoroughly confused, I seem to be able to get the 1.2.1.9 drivers from the Twinhan official site to install ok.

Any help appreciated.

On the 1220 version the thbda.sys file was 1 level above the inf folder, in the DRVBIN folder. Unless you are running 64bit windows, use the regular thbda.sys

Please share where you got these drivers from and I'll have a go.

ta

Thanks Zigg,

I just downloaded the zip from the first page of this thread. I understand what you are saying about the thbda.sys usually being one folder above the inf, however this is not the case with 1224 for some reason.

I did point it to the thbda.sys in the amd64 folder, but that didnt work.

Cheers.

your quite correct - there is no thbda.sys other than ia64 and amd64. In looking at the version numbers the amd64 is v 1222,

in looking closer at the winxp folder the sys file in there says its original filename is thbda.sys, so giving renameing that a go. Lets see if it works

12 hours later - works a treat.

Nice work mate, that seems to have fixed it

Hello thats me again.

Like i wrote before, on my computer drivers 1.2.1.9 works perfect, but 1.2.2.0 and above not.

My PCB is Gigabyte 8 GA-K8NS
CPU - amd64 3000+ NewCastle
Gfx - Nvidia 6600
PCI-Card - Twinhan DVB-s 1020a red

I try put card to other slot and set diffrent pci-latency. No success.
On 3-th pci slot computer hangs when drivers are being installed. I wonder why?

There is also problem with files *.inf in folder amd64 (drivers are not decorated).

I think programmers should look at this:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/install/64INF_reqs.mspx


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No one is perfect...

Hmm having no luck with win mce, keep getting stutters during the playback of any tv channel.
The system is a AMD64, old full size twinhand dtv, and nvidia 6600gt.

IM using purevideo codec, the nvidia winmce graphics driver and the latest bda drivers, HELP!

When I first installed TwinHan BDA drivers for MCE2005 I had a lot of problems getting 1.2.1.9 to work although 1.2.1.2 always installed OK. After much fiddling I eventually got the 1.2.1.9 on and working.

After having my first go at putting on MCE2005 rollup 2 (which did not go well), I had to do a clean install and again struggled to get the 1.2.1.9 drivers to work again.

However, this time I was a bit more systematic and think I have now found the reason as follows.

The 1.2.1.9 comes with five inf files covering different regions (Generic, AU, EU, TW, UK).

They are basically the same with the main differences being the frequency settings like ForceBandwidth which is 7MHz / 8MHz or variable. I had normally been choosing the UK inf file as that is where I'm from.

The other difference in the inf files is there are two setups for the service started by the Capture device called THBDACap.Device and THBDA.Device

For some reason the EU, TW, UK uses the setup THBDA.Device whilst generic and AU use THBDACap.Device

The only difference is in the way the service is started up. EU, TW, UK use SERVICE_AUTO_START whilst AU and Generic use SERVICE_BOOT_START.

This primarily affects when the service is started when Windows starts. As the original symptom was that the ehRecvr service component was failing to find a device at start up I speculated that this was caused it trying to find a capture service which hadn't already started.

Using the generic inf with SERVICE_BOOT_START then allowed the 1.2.1.9 installation to succeed and work with MCE. One could edit the UK specific frequency settings in but MCE seems quite happy with the generic ones.

The 1.2.1 version used yet another start up value SERVICE_DEMAND_START.

I think on my previous installation I must have chosen the generic inf file by chance on one of my many attempts.

have you tried rollup 2
Have you tried powerdvd6 or windvd7 ?

Anybody tried the 1.2.2.7 BDA drivers that have appeared?

I'm a little wary as I had a bad experience trying out the 1.2.2.0 ones which stuttered badly and am currently using 1.2.1.9 which are OK.

I guess I'll give them a go, but they have changed around the set up and driver naming all over again, and I think the UK inf file looks like it has the same service start up problem I noted earlier.

Well mixed results on 1.2.2.7 for me. I used the generic 878BDA.inf

On one machine Win2k running WebScheduler / Digitalwatch with 1 PCI DVB-T which had been using 1.2.1.9 After I changed to 1.2.2.7 then everything is still running fine.

On another machine running MCE2005 Rollup 2 with 2 Mini_ter DVB-T PCI then the 1.2.2.7 change resulted in major stutters every few seconds (like I'd seen with 1.2.2.0) and I had to revert back to 1.2.1.9.

Anybody successfully using 1.2.2.x with MCE2005 and knows what the trick is?

Saw the 1.2.2.9 BDA driver was available.

Gave it a go and got stuttery results on both MCE and DigitalWatch. Sound and/or vision pauses every 4 or 5 seconds.

I don't seem to have much success beyond 1.2.1.9. They all seem to stutter with the one exception of 1.2.2.7 which seems Ok with DigitalWatch but not MCE.

I can't believe this is generic. It's either the way I'm using them or because I'm UK based. I know it's not the signal as the results are fine with 1.2.1.9

Anybody getting good results with 1.2.2.x ??

i recently bought the SkyStar 1 CI card,
so last night i tried the v1.2.2.9 and v1.2.2.7 BDA drivers to see if i would be able to use it with mce.
i tried this on (fresh installed) MCE with .net1.1 sp1 + rollup2 + the SkyStar 1 CI card + EU BDA driver
i've updated the currently running wdm drivers to BDA drivers. (both audio and video)
it didn't work, mce didn't even recognize the card, i tried mce->settings->TV, it gives me this:
Click to view attachment
i tried the (BDA) TwinHan TS Capture Tool, it didn't work.
so i changed back to the wdm drivers, everything was ok then.
i tried latest ProgDVB and DVB-TV, both was working like a charm with CI
on CI i tried cryptoworks CAM and XDream CAM, they both worked.
also with this setup i realised that HD Forum channel on hotbird works much better compared to SS2 card.
my mpeg2 codec is nvidia purevideo decoder
Click to view attachment Click to view attachment

can anyone maybe supply a step-by-step how-to for installing the BDA drivers to work within MCE?

The SkyStar 1 CI is a TechniSat device. Why do you expect the TwinHan BDA drivers to work with it ???

Joey, TwinHan makes them
Infact TwinHan now makes most of the satellite TV cards in the world, sold under various brand names.

thanks renura,
ok, i tried the v1.2.2.9 and v1.2.2.7 BDA drivers again.
this time i was able to get the sample applications to work
here is how the TwinHan BDA TS capture tool looked:
Click to view attachment
i had a small problem with the BDA console application.
i tried to change the setting for remote control at the misc section, from TwinHanDTV to MCE.
It asks me to reboot os for settings to work but after a reboot the setting goes back to TwinHanDTV as it seems on the next image
Click to view attachment
this is how my driver info looks from this app:
Click to view attachment
also i was able to get a filtergraph from the DVB-S BDA CI Sample application but no signal lock
this how my graph looked.
Click to view attachment
one other interesting thing is that, when i try to get the driver info from the BDA Console application, the driver info comes up in about 3 minutes
and the same thing goes for the TwinHan BDA TS capture tool too. it takes about 3 minutes for the app to start.
and also MCE still gives that no compatible tuner error.
i am still in desperate need for a solution...
cheers.

this is how the drivers look like in the device manager
Click to view attachment

Since when does MCE support DVB-S anyway... I'm a little bit lost as to what your problem is ?

Hi ToR,
Does your MCE give your the options to select the TV Signal type?
Like this?
Click to view attachment

hi renura,
unfortunately not.
from main menu, i select settings -> TV, then i get that "tuner not found" error...

maybe i should do a fresh install of MCE, then try the driver?

In that case it will never work. You need to select the Satellite TV Signal type to be able to acces the satellite TV functionality

renura,
i have tried: {settings->general->media center setup->set up tv signal}: then it gives me the "tuner not found" error
i have also tried: {settings->general->media center setup->run media center setup again}: this also gives the "tuner not found" error.
i have also tried both versions of BDA drivers.
either there's a problem with my installation or i can't find that tv signal selection screen you've supplied.
the thing is that i'm not even completely sure if it's supposed to work %100..
maybe as JoeyBloggs mentioned SkyStar1 CI is not supposed to work with the TH BDA drivers..
or maybe DVB-S would not work on MCE at all anyways..
i am completely lost.
i'm not evet sure if anyone has got a TH DVB-S CI card to work with MCE?
if i am not mistaken, MCE started the DVB-S support with rollup2 right?
if it's supposed to work, maybe i have an installation problem, than i will do a fresh install of MCE.
i think it might also be a good idea to create a drive image of a fresh install of MCE just in case..

Hello
Yesterday I downloaded TwinHan DVB-S BDA driver 1.2.3.0 in order to use my DVB-S with Windows MCE 2005, I followed the instruction and installed the driver but MCE still cant find the card. the interesting thing about this release is it can make the DVB-S cards work under MCE, here is the content of the DVBS_MCE.txt file:

2005.12.03

Microsoft DVB-S patch utility can enable DVB-S cards in MCE2005.
Native Microsoft's MCE2005 supports only DVB-T, and the utility provides a pseudo BDA DVB-T filter interface
which transfers DVB-S streams to DVB-T.

The steps to use Twinhan's DVB-S BDA driver in MCE2005 ,

1. Install fully featured MCE with drivers and DVD Decoder
2. Install Twinhan's BDA driver Inf/Sys files in the folder \WinXP
3. Installation Microsoft DVB-S patch utility
a. Run Setup
b . Choose Language ¡V German or English
c. Please wait until all the Universal driver devices are installed
i. There are 4 devices ¡V Universal Capture #1 and #2, Universal Tuner #1 and #2
ii. Do not search for he driver on the WEB, choose automatically serach and the driver will be found
d. A system restart is required when the application setup is done.
4. After the reboot, please double click on the file DVBS_MCE_TH13.reg in this Twinhan's driver package.
(It will register Twinhan's filter name to Microsoft DVB-S support list.)
After it's registerred, reboot the system again.
5. After the reboot please run the MCE TV Configuration
6. Follow the path for DVB-T ¡V this is needed if you have a DVB-T or/and a Analog Tuner in the System as well
If you have just DVB-S, there will be no menu available to choose DVB-T, Analog, etc.
7. Currently there is ASTRA enabled as default satellite (short list)
8. If you want to choose a different one please go through the configuration plug in under the menu item "More Programs".

Known issue,
Current Microsoft DVB-S application does not support 22K/DiSEqC switch with Twinhan's new BDA driver well.
In case these is a DiSEqC switch, MCE may fail to scan any channel.

any way after two hours from downloading this release i discovered that Twinhan changed the contentes of th 1.2.3.0 release, they simply removed two files the DVBS_MCE_TH13.reg file and the DVBS_MCE.txt

Is this mean that this release still not support DVB-S uner MCE??? is there any one else have tried it??

HELP! I'm trying to use the Twinhan DTV ATSC (PV3250) card in MCE2005.

I've installed the BDA drivers v.1.2.3.6 from the twinhan.com web site. MCE was able to discover the card, and receive HDTV, however the video is EXTREMELY choppy/jerky, not smooth at all.

My MCE box is a XP3200+ cpu, 1gb DDR400 ram, GF6600 256mb AGP video card.... but I am UNABLE to get reliable smooth HDTV with this setup

Can anyone here verify that the Twinhan DTV ATSC Hybrid PCI cards are compatible with MCE?

As the site title says we are primarily DVB orientated here. It's unlikely to be a driver issue ~ (although not impossible) It's more likely to be a video decoder / video driver issue. Just to clarify SD is perfectly fine ? Monitor Vertical Refresh Rate ???


http://forums.dvbowners.com/index.php?act=announce&f=17&id=2


Just for the future this would have been more appropriate in the DVB Owners Discussion Forum => Digital TV Cards / Hardware => VisionPlus / Twinhan rather than Technical & Development.

I am finally able to get my Twinhan DVB-S CI to work on MCE (it is actually the new skystar 1 card with CI)
BDADriver v1.2.3.5 did not work but BDADriver v1.2.3.6 was OK!
i am using the virtual DVB-T emulator console and the MCE CI enabler application

here are the problems i am having

the DVB-T emulator has the satellite transponder frequencies in a file called satellite.dll and i can not edit them. This is a serious problem for me since i can not receive the frequencies i want.

the MCE CI enbler application is not working fully automatic. When i start receiving an encrypted program, the program does not start showing untill i leave the MCE fullscreen mode, go to the MCE CI enabler app in the taskbar, open it and select the program i'm receiving from it's list of programs on the current transponder and then i have to click the descramle button, then i can receive the program on MCE using my subscription card in the CAM module in the CI slot of the twinhan device.

one other problem is the support for multiple satellites using diseq. i think this shouldn't be a big deal to solve since the virtual DVB-T emulator application maps DVB-S fequencies to DVB-T frequencies and tunes to satellite frequencies depending on the selected DVB-T frequencies from MCE. i just want to be able to select different satellite with diseq for each mapped DVB-T frequency of MCE

on the virtual DVB-T emulator application you can see the frequency map list showing which DVB-S frequency mapped to what DVB-T frequency. i really want to be able to edit this mapping list so that i can add or remove the DVB-S frequencies i want. also on this list i would like to be able to select the diseq port for each frequency map as well. important thing here is that for each diescq port there could be a different type of LNB with different LOF and switch frequencies, so therefore in this frequency map list if there would be a diesq port section, there should be 3 more sections for LNB frequencies.

the pvr function is working very well
i think there is a way to map a program guide information to a desired MCE program, i will write here if i can get that to work as well.

Where did you find 1.2.3.9 drivers you mentioned?

sorry, i have corrected my post
i was actually talking about driver versions v1.2.3.5 and v1.2.3.6
unfortunately your post was already here when i realised it

does anyone know how can i edit this satellites.dll file?
can i do it with a resource editor?
i have a special lnb where the frequencies have to be shifted
so i need different frequencies than the actual frequencies from the transponder

IIRC Renura has a utility to do it from TwinHan. You will need to supply him details of the missing satellites you want to add. As it is not publically available.

Just post the details here.

Sure I can do it for you, give me the details and I will convert them
Need frequency, Symbol Rate and polarity

i would really appreciate it.
here are the frequencies

11144000
11186000
11227000
11490000
11532000
11573000
11615000

all frequencies use a symbol rate of 30000
it doesn't matter what polarity they use, so all could be H.
this is actually Eutelsat W3 at 70east but frequencies have to be like this due to the provider's special LNB.
if you want you can call it 'Digital Platform'
thanks a lot.

i would really appreciate it.
here are the frequencies

11144000
11186000
11227000
11490000
11532000
11573000
11615000

all frequencies use a symbol rate of 30000
it doesn't matter what polarity they use, so all could be H.
this is actually Eutelsat W3 at 70east but frequencies have to be like this due to the provider's special LNB.
if you want you can call it 'Digital Platform'
thanks a lot.
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Try Click to view attachment I called it EutalsatSpecial, see how you go

sorry but i couldn't find the satellites.dll file in the zip file
are you sure if you sent the correct file?
the satinfo.txt file was modified almost 2 months ago.