DigitalWatch 2.0.1.* Options

[nate]

The ONID:TSID:SID triplet must be unique for each service

Service? Careful with your terminology. I think network is the correct term. I guess broadcast could be used.

Anything else would be a violation of the DVB standards as I understand them ~

I agree, but from reading the DVB original network identifiers list i was also under the impression that the ONID should be unique between broadcasters.

NID is not really all that relevant AFAIK.

At the moment DW 2 uses the ONID in the SetChannel call. The NID is only added to the channels file for completeness.


@varutz
Can I have a look at your channels file please.

[Guest_JoeyBloggs_*]

QUOTE(JoeyBloggs @ Aug 3 2005, 02:39 PM)
The ONID:TSID:SID triplet must be unique for each service

Service? Careful with your terminology. I think network is the correct term. I guess broadcast could be used.

I was as careful as I could be Service Id (from a DVB perspective) == Program Id (from a Mpeg perspective) == 'A Channel' (from a user perspective).

Again AFAIK NID or Network Id is completely irrelevant...

As you pointed out ONID's are assigned by DVB. I would also expect them to be different for different (ie legally separate) broadcasting companies... But who knows, the French hate playing by other peoples rules They've only had DVB-T up for a few months anyhoo ~

[nate]

I was as careful as I could be Service Id (from a DVB perspective) == Program Id (from a Mpeg perspective)  == 'A Channel' (from a user perspective).

Yeah. I wasn't saying you were wrong. Just that I get confused easily so i have to be on my guard. Now that i'm using the term Service in DW2 i should get used to it soon.

As you pointed out ONID's are assigned by DVB. I would also expect them to be different for different (ie legally separate) broadcasting companies... But who knows, the French hate playing by other peoples rules They've only had DVB-T up for a few months anyhoo ~

Ok. Hyperthetical time. After the analog broadcasts are turned off each network will have a spare frequency that they might be allowed to start broadcasting a second digital channel on. In that situation I guess they might be allowed to use the same ONID, but they'd have to use different TSID's.
I'm stretching it a bit, but it could happen.

It's all so much fun.

[Guest_varutz_*]

Do they all use the same TranportStreamId, OriginalNetworkId, and NetworkID? If not, then I could change SetChannel to take all three.

No, the triplet is all different.
I do not have any problem in switching channels but in selecting current provider for browsing through provider services in OSD.
The problem is with the OSD menu ServiceList that browses services by NID:
TVChannels.Services.$(window.ServiceList[0])

Thanks

[Guest_varutz_*]

Hi varutz,

Just a quick question not related to your post

Do you know if the films broadcasted by the french channels are only broadcasted in french (dubded version) or if they also make original version availlable on a second audio channel?

I'm interrested to know as I might have to move back to France for work

Thanks

Not really for now, but still, there is Arte, a program both French and German and for this one you can choose the language.
You see, it's a bit young and there are only freechannels for now. maybe in september when they will add more there will be some in VO.

Otherwise, there is a second audio channel sending AC3 audio.

that's it

[Guest_varutz_*]

@varutz
Can I have a look at your channels file please.

there you go!

Attached File(s)

 Channels.xml ( 4.58K ) Number of downloads: 69

 

[nate]

No, the triplet is all different.
I do not have any problem in switching channels but in selecting current provider for browsing through provider services in OSD.
The problem is with the OSD menu ServiceList that browses services by NID:
TVChannels.Services.$(window.ServiceList[0])

It's actually the ONID that it uses at the moment.

TVChannels.Services.$(window.ServiceList[0])
is set in the NetworkList
<onRight>ShowMenu("ServiceList($(TVChannels.Network.originalNetworkId))")</onRight>


I will change the list to be identified by both the ONID and the TSID, and SetChannel to take the ONID, TSID and SID.

So the OSD file will change to look something like this

<window name="NetworkList">
...
<onSelect>SetChannel($(TVChannels.Network.originalNetworkId), $(TVChannels.Network.transportStreamId)) ExitMenu()</onSelect>
<onRight>ShowMenu("ServiceList($(TVChannels.Network.originalNetworkId), $(TVChannels.Network.transportStreamId))")</onRight>
...
<window name="ServiceList">
...
<source>TVChannels.Services.$(window.ServiceList[0]).$(window.ServiceList[1])</source>
...
<onSelect>SetChannel($(window.ServiceList[0]), $(window.ServiceList[1]), $(TVChannels.Service.ServiceId)) ExitMenu(2)</onSelect>

[Guest_Grasshopper_*]

Hi,

I have read through quite a few of the posts about this but can't seem to get a solution. Basically I cannot get a picture (but do get sound OK) with the 2.0.1.3 version of DW. The log file has this:

CODE

Adding Demux Pins
                   Creating pin: PID=102   Name="Video"
                     Rendering stream of type "MPEG2 Video" with decoder "Mpeg2Dec Video Decoder"
                     Failed to load filter: Mpeg2Dec Video Decoder  error number -2147221164  The filter is not registered.
                     Error: Can't Add Mpeg2Dec Video Decoder : -2147221164
                     Failed to render Video stream : -2147221164
                   Creating pin: PID=103   Name="Audio"
                     Rendering stream of type "MPEG Audio" with decoder "MPEG Audio Decoder"
                 Finished Adding Demux Pins

When I build a graph in graphedt it works fine using Nero Video Decoder (see attached pic, couldn't capture the actual TV picture but it does work) and when I record in webscheduler it works fine, also works OK using TSreader.

I tried adding the CSLID from registry for the Nero Video decoder to the decoders.xml file but that made no difference. Can anyone throw me a clue on what to try next ? Running VisionPlus DVB-T with Spectrum 1.6.0.1 BDA drivers on WinXP/SP2.

Cheers.

Attached File(s)

 untitled.JPG ( 212.67K ) Number of downloads: 85

 

[Guest_DigiWatchSaver_*]

I tried adding the CSLID from registry for the Nero Video decoder to the decoders.xml file but that made no difference. Can anyone throw me a clue on what to try next ? Running VisionPlus DVB-T with Spectrum 1.6.0.1 BDA drivers on WinXP/SP2.

Hi,

have you also modifed the MediaTypes.xml file?

you need to change the following section. I've highlighted in red the part where you have to put the reference to the nero decoder

<MediaType name="MPEG2 Video">
<MajorType  clsid="{73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}" /> <!--KSDATAFORMAT_TYPE_VIDEO-->
<SubType    clsid="{E06D8026-DB46-11CF-B4D1-00805F6CBBEA}" /> <!--MEDIASUBTYPE_MPEG2_VIDEO-->
<FormatType clsid="{E06D80E3-DB46-11CF-B4D1-00805F6CBBEA}" /> <!--FORMAT_MPEG2Video-->
<Decoder name="CyberLink PowerDTV Decoder" />
</MediaType>

In my example I'm using the CyberLink decoder instead of the default Mpeg2Dec

Cheers

[Guest_Bergust_*]

Is there a way to disable/bypass the initial/main menu in DW2? With my DW0.7xx setup I launch straight into live TV when the HTPC boots up. In DW2 I can only launch into the initial menu.

[nate]

@GrassHopper
If you can't get the Nero decoder working then you can get the Mpeg2Dec filter from here

@Bergust
No, there's no way to go straight to watching TV at the moment. I havn't got around to implementing it yet, but it is coming. Probably not until september though since I've got a pretty full on august planned.

[auenf]

argh, been busy with other stuff, and digitalwatch2 comes out

and it doesnt show anything for me

CODE

---------------------
DigitalWatch starting
Build - v2, 0, 1, 3
Restoring last window position. x=37 y=582 width=1024 height=576
Initialising DirectDraw
 Enumerating Primary DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
 Enumerating Attached DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
   Found device: 66193043 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9600 SERIES  "
 Enumerating Detached DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
 Enumerating DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
   Found device: 66193043 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9600 SERIES  "
 Creating DirectDraw screens
   Creating DirectDrawScreen: 66193043 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9600 SERIES  "      monitor(0, 0, 1920, 1200)
Loading OSD file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
 Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
 Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
Initialising TVControl
 Loading Keys file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Loading Keys from XML
   Finished loading keys from XML
 Finished loading keys file
 Initialising DWGraph
   Loading Decoders file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
     Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
     Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
   Loading Media Types file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
     Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
     Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
 Finished Initialising DWGraph
 Added Source - BDA
 Starting command processing thread
Finished Initialising TVControl

i get a 1024x576 black window

then when i hit shift+T, nothing changes, cept in the log file:

CODE

Queue Command 'Key(84, 1, 0, 0)'
TVControl Execute 'Key(84, 1, 0, 0)'
 TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - Key(84, 1, 0, 0)
   TVControl::Key -     shift T (84)
     TVControl Execute '      SetSource(BDA)'
       TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - SetSource(BDA)
         Initialising BDA Source
           Loading DVBT Channels file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml
             Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml
               Could not open file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml : -2147467259
             Could not load channels file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml
           Loading DVBT Frequency List file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
             Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
             Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
           Finished Loading Frequency List file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
           Loading BDA DVB-T Cards file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
             Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
             Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
             Card - Active
               THDTV DVB-t BDA Tuner Filter
                 @device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_109e&dev_036e&subsys_00011822&rev_11#4&3b1d9ab8&0&3040#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{4e6038f2-0897-4d49-be68-b90e1e651e7b}
               THDTV DVB-t BDA Capture Filter
                 @device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_109e&dev_0878&subsys_00011822&rev_11#4&3b1d9ab8&0&3140#{fd0a5af4-b41d-11d2-9c95-00c04f7971e0}\{e0072f4d-04b0-4bfb-9e38-dea5ebffbcaf}
             Card - Active
               Bluebird, BDA Tuner
                 @device:pnp:\\?\stream#bluebda.thomson7579#7&17fdedc7&0&1#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{b74f5c9c-2207-4791-9cb0-c3d1002069af}
               Bluebird, WDM TsCapture
                 @device:pnp:\\?\usb#vid_0fe9&pid_db11&mi_00#6&59da0fa&0&0000#{fd0a5af4-b41d-11d2-9c95-00c04f7971e0}\global
           Finished Loading BDA DVB-T Cards file
           Checking for new BDA DVB-T Cards
             Tuner - THDTV DVB-t BDA Tuner Filter
               @device:pnp:\\?\pci#ven_109e&dev_036e&subsys_00011822&rev_11#4&3b1d9ab8&0&3040#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{4e6038f2-0897-4d49-be68-b90e1e651e7b}
                 This tuner was loaded from file
             Tuner - Bluebird, BDA Tuner
               @device:pnp:\\?\stream#bluebda.thomson7579#7&17fdedc7&0&1#{71985f48-1ca1-11d3-9cc8-00c04f7971e0}\{b74f5c9c-2207-4791-9cb0-c3d1002069af}
                 This tuner was loaded from file
           Finished Checking for new BDA DVB-T Cards
           Saving XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
         Finished Initialising BDA Source
         Playing BDA Source
         Finished Playing BDA Source
     Finished Execute : -2147467259
Finished Execute : 0

of course i have no idea how to make it create a channels.xml file, and i dont get anything at all in the window

Enf...

[Guest_Grasshopper_*]

Hi,

have you also modifed the MediaTypes.xml file?

OK, I tried this and all good now, guess I was 95% there...

@GrassHopper
If you can't get the Nero decoder working then you can get the Mpeg2Dec filter from here

I tried this and it works OK with the mpeg2dec you posted after I registered so I think I am covered in all cases now...

Thanks to both of you, I'm now a happy camper.

Cheers.

[nate]

argh, been busy with other stuff, and digitalwatch2 comes out

and it doesnt show anything for me

Hi Enf,
It's not showing anything for you to punish you for your lack of commitment. It's an undocumented feature.

i get a 1024x576 black window

Well you're half way there, but there should be a menu inside the black window. The log looks fine so there's no directdraw errors or anything obvious that is breaking.

then when i hit shift+T, nothing changes, cept in the log file:

That's because without a channels.xml file hitting Shift+T will take to to another menu so that you can scan the channels.

of course i have no idea how to make it create a channels.xml file, and i dont get anything at all in the window

While creating a channels.xml file might allow you to watch tv it still doesn't solve the problem of the OSD not showing so we need to fix that first.

The first thing i'd suggest would be trying a lower screen resolution, like 1024x768.
It's possible that the video card/drivers/or something else wierd is not liking the 1920x1200. That said, it runs fine on my R9200SE at 1920x1200. Perhaps try different video drivers?

If you have any other directdraw applications available try them to see if they work. You can also try the sample from here to see if it works.

That's it. I'm out of ideas for the moment. Have a play around and get back to me. If you don't stumble across a solution then i'll have to do some more thinking.

[auenf]

ok, the OSD shows up on the other machine (9700 with catalyst 4.09) whereas this machine is a 9550XT (9600 Pro) with catalyst 4.11

now to play with drivers (and stuff up my lovely uptime )

Enf...

[nate]

I'm running the 5.7 drivers.

[auenf]

heres something interesting, with the machine that works, opening the program and hitting enter at the menu brings this in the log file

CODE

---------------------
DigitalWatch starting
Build - v2, 0, 1, 3
Restoring last window position. x=201 y=219 width=1028 height=576
Initialising DirectDraw
 Enumerating Primary DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
 Enumerating Attached DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
   Found device: 65537 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9700 PRO "
 Enumerating Detached DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
 Enumerating DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
   Found device: 65537 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9700 PRO "
 Creating DirectDraw screens
   Creating DirectDrawScreen: 65537 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9700 PRO "      monitor(0, 0, 1280, 1024)
Loading OSD file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
 Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
 Finished Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
Initialising TVControl
 Loading Keys file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Finished Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Loading Keys from XML
   Finished loading keys from XML
 Finished loading keys file
 Initialising DWGraph
   Loading Decoders file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
     Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
     Finished Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
   Loading Media Types file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
     Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
     Finished Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
 Finished Initialising DWGraph
 Added Source - BDA
 Starting command processing thread
Finished Initialising TVControl
Queue Command 'Key(13, 0, 0, 0)'
TVControl Execute 'Key(13, 0, 0, 0)'
 TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - Key(13, 0, 0, 0)
   TVControl::Key -     Enter (13)
     TVControl Execute 'Select()'
       TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - Select()
       DWOnScreenDisplay::ExecuteCommand - Select()
         TVControl Execute '    ExitMenu(-1)    SetSource(BDA)      '
           TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - ExitMenu(-1)
           TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - SetSource(BDA)
             Initialising BDA Source
               Loading DVBT Channels file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml
                 Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml
                   Could not open file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml : -2147467259
                 Could not load channels file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Channels.xml
               Loading DVBT Frequency List file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
                 Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
                 Finished Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
               Finished Loading Frequency List file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\FrequencyList.xml
               Loading BDA DVB-T Cards file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
                 Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
                 Finished Loading XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
               Finished Loading BDA DVB-T Cards file
               Checking for new BDA DVB-T Cards
                 No cards found
               Saving XML file: F:\DW-2.0.1.3\BDA_DVB-T\Cards.xml
               Could not find any BDA cards
         Finished Execute : -2147467259
     Finished Execute : 0
Finished Execute : 0

the one that doesnt work (however) does this instead:

CODE

---------------------
DigitalWatch starting
Build - v2, 0, 1, 3
Restoring last window position. x=0 y=624 width=1024 height=576
Restoring always on top
Initialising DirectDraw
 Enumerating Primary DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
 Enumerating Attached DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
   Found device: 66193043 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9600 SERIES  "
 Enumerating Detached DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
 Enumerating DirectDraw devices
   Found device: 0 "display" "Primary Display Driver"
   Found device: 66193043 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9600 SERIES  "
 Creating DirectDraw screens
   Creating DirectDrawScreen: 66193043 "\\.\DISPLAY1" "RADEON 9600 SERIES  "      monitor(0, 0, 1920, 1200)
Loading OSD file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
 Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
 Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\OSD.xml
Initialising TVControl
 Loading Keys file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Keys.xml
   Loading Keys from XML
   Finished loading keys from XML
 Finished loading keys file
 Initialising DWGraph
   Loading Decoders file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
     Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
     Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\Decoders.xml
   Loading Media Types file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
     Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
     Finished Loading XML file: C:\DTV\DW-2.0.1.3\MediaTypes.xml
 Finished Initialising DWGraph
 Added Source - BDA
 Starting command processing thread
Finished Initialising TVControl
Queue Command 'Key(13, 0, 0, 0)'
TVControl Execute 'Key(13, 0, 0, 0)'
 TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - Key(13, 0, 0, 0)
   TVControl::Key -     Enter (13)
     TVControl Execute 'Select()'
       TVControl::ExecuteGlobalCommand - Select()
       DWOnScreenDisplay::ExecuteCommand - Select()
       Function 'Select()' called but has no implementation.
     Finished Execute : 1
Finished Execute : 0

both machines have the 4.11 as of 2 minutes ago

Enf...

[nate]

heres something interesting, with the machine that works, opening the program and hitting enter at the menu brings this in the log file

<snip>

the one that doesnt work (however) does this instead:

<snip>

OK. That's interesting. It's as if there's nothing being loaded from the OSD.xml file.

I've just added some more logging to see if i can figure out what's going on.
Try this exe and see what the DigitalWatch.log file does then.

@Everyone: Don't try this build (2.0.1.3b) unless you're having trouble with the menu coming up. It's just for testing the Enf's OSD initialisation. Nothing else is tested since i'm half way though changing a few things.

[edit]Link removed[/edit]

[auenf]

don't worry, 4 week uptime is now gone and the OSD comes up

Enf...

[nate]

Hahaha

That'd be right. I hate it when that happens.

Oh well. At least it's working, and it won't hurt to have the extra logging there in the future.